Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/15/1993 08:40 AM Senate FIN

Audio Topic
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
txt
                                                                               
                             MINUTES                                           
                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                         March 15, 1993                                        
                            8:40 a.m.                                          
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-93, #35, Side 2 (425-end)                                                
  SFC-93, #37, Side 1 (000-end)                                                
  SFC-93, #37, Side 2 (575-181)                                                
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Senator Drue  Pearce,  Co-chair,  convened  the  meeting  at                 
  approximately 8:40 a.m.                                                      
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  In addition to  Co-chairs Pearce and Frank,  Senators Jacko,                 
  Kerttula, Rieger,  and Sharp  were present.   Senator  Kelly                 
  arrived soon after the meeting began.                                        
                                                                               
  ALSO  ATTENDING:     Senator  Leman;  Keith  Gerken,  Deputy                 
  Commissioner, Dept. of Transportation and Public Facilities;                 
  Jim Ayers, System Director, Alaska  Marine Highway, Dept. of                 
  Transportation and Public Facilities; Jon Scribner, Regional                 
  Director, Southeast  Region,  Dept.  of  Transportation  and                 
  Public  Facilities;   Mike  McKinnon,  Chief   of  Planning,                 
  Southeast  Region,  Dept.   of  Transportation  and   Public                 
  Facilities;  Steven  O'Connor,   Assistant  Chief,   Central                 
  Emergency Services,  Kenai Peninsula Borough;  Mark Johnson,                 
  Coordinator, Emergency Medical Services,  Division of Public                 
  Health, Dept.  of Health and  Social Services; and  aides to                 
  committee members and other members of the legislature.                      
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
                                                                               
  SB  50    -    FY 94 CAPITAL BUDGET                                          
                                                                               
                 Overview of  the Dept. of  Transportation and                 
                 Public  Facilities  capital  budget  for  the                 
                 SOUTHEAST  REGION  and ALASKA  MARINE HIGHWAY                 
                 SYSTEM was presented by department staff.                     
                                                                               
  SSSB 71   -    Act relating to  emergency medical  services;                 
  and            repealing   obsolete   references    to   the                 
                 Statewide  Health  Coordinating  Council  and                 
                 health systems agencies.                                      
                                                                               
                 Discussion was had with  Senator Leman, Steve                 
                 O'Connor, and  Mark Johnson.  Amendment No. 1                 
                 was  ADOPTED.    The bill  was  then  HELD in                 
                 committee for further  review and  resolution                 
                 of fiscal concerns.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 50                                                           
                                                                               
       An  Act making appropriations for capital projects; and                 
       providing for an effective date.                                        
                                                                               
  (Cross-reference  to HCS CSSB  183(Fin) the ultimate vehicle                 
  for the FY 94 capital budget.)                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  HOUSE CS FOR CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 183(FIN)                                 
                                                                               
       An Act  making special  appropriations for  restoration                 
       projects relating to the Exxon Valdez oil spill and for                 
       oil spill response  projects; making appropriations for                 
       capital   project   matching   grant    funds;   making                 
       appropriations   for   capital   projects;  making   an                 
       appropriation to  pay judgment, interest,  and attorney                 
       fees  for   Frontier  Flying  Service  v.  Turpin;  and                 
       providing for an effective date.                                        
                                                                               
  Log notes of the capital budget overview presentation by Jon                 
  Scribner, Mike  McKinnon, and Jim  Ayers, on  behalf of  the                 
  Dept.  of Transportation  and Public Facilities,  were taken                 
  and are appended to the end of these minutes.  Copies of the                 
  notes and tape recordings of  the meeting are available from                 
  the Senate  Finance  Committee Secretary,  Room  520,  State                 
  Capitol  Building,  Juneau,  Alaska,   (phone  465-2618)  or                 
  through the Legislative Finance Division,  P. O. Box 113200,                 
  Juneau, Alaska 99811-3200 (phone 465-3795).                                  
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR SENATE BILL NO. 71                                    
                                                                               
       An  Act relating  to  emergency medical  services;  and                 
       repealing obsolete references  to the Statewide  Health                 
       Coordinating Council and health systems agencies.                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce directed  that  SSSB 71  be brought  on for                 
  discussion and  referenced a  proposed amendment  by Senator                 
  Leman.                                                                       
                                                                               
  End, SFC-93, #37, Side 1                                                     
  Begin, SFC-93, #37, Side 2                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN, prime sponsor of the legislation, came before                 
  committee.   He  explained  that the  bill responds  to last                 
  fall's  review of  the state  EMS  program by  the technical                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  assistance  team of  the  National  Highway  Traffic  Safety                 
  Administration.     The   report  contained   a  number   of                 
  recommendations, many of which  are incorporated within SSSB
  71.                                                                          
                                                                               
  Senator Leman  explained that secs.  1 through 8  delete the                 
  term  "physician  trained" as applied  to paramedics.   That                 
  change  acknowledges   that  training  can  be  provided  by                 
  entities and persons  other than physicians.  The  bill also                 
  contains a number of deletions of obsolete references.                       
                                                                               
  Key features of the  legislation are that it will  allow the                 
  Dept.  of  Health &  Social  Services to  set  standards for                 
  mobile intensive care paramedic training programs in Alaska.                 
  Currently,  paramedics must  be trained  outside  the state.                 
  The bill further allows the department to regulate voluntary                 
  compliance by trauma centers.                                                
                                                                               
  A substantial amount of the fiscal impact relates to reviews                 
  by "outside reviewers"  for establishment of  trauma centers                 
  in Alaska.  A mechanism  is also included whereby  hospitals                 
  would pay a portion of the review cost.                                      
                                                                               
  The   legislation  also   provides  for   a  "patient   care                 
  information  system"  to  accumulate  data  and  allow   for                 
  evaluation of standards and quality of care.                                 
                                                                               
  Senator Leman next directed attention to Corrected Amendment                 
  No. 1 (copy on file in  the original SFC file for SSSB  71).                 
  He explained  that  it relates  to  the composition  of  the                 
  Alaska Council on Emergency Medical Services.  The amendment                 
  reflects  a  suggestion  from  the  Southeast  Regional  EMS                 
  Council.  It provides that at least one of the three members                 
  who are active  as prehospital  emergency care providers  be                 
  from a rural area of the  state.  Senator Leman acknowledged                 
  that  those engaged in EMS services in rural areas encounter                 
  unique obstacles of which the Council should be aware.                       
                                                                               
  In response to a question from Senator  Jacko, Senator Leman                 
  said that the Council would consist of eleven members:                       
                                                                               
       1.   Two physicians  with emergency medicine  or trauma                 
  care                experience.                                              
       2.    A registered  nurse with experience  in emergency                 
  nursing.                                                                     
       3.   Three active prehospital emergency care providers.                 
       4.   An emergency medical services administrator.                       
       5.   An  administrator of  a hospital or  Native health                 
                 organization.                                                 
       6.   Three consumers of emergency medical services.                     
                                                                               
  Senator Leman reiterated that under the corrected amendment,                 
  one  of  the  three  emergency   care  providers  listed  in                 
  subsection 3, above, would be from a rural area.                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Frank expressed concern  regarding the request for                 
  two additional  positions  on the  state payroll.   He  then                 
  asked if proposed training could occur at the regional level                 
  through  nonprofits.    Senator  Leman  said he  had  raised                 
  similar questions.   He further  explained that, up  to this                 
  time, training services  were provided  per a federal  grant                 
  through  the Public Health Service.   That grant will expire                 
  on October  1,  1993, and  may  not be  renewed  thereafter.                 
  Further, much data  will be flowing  to the department  from                 
  twenty-five hospitals,  for the  patient care  system.   The                 
  department will also have to coordinate reviews of hospitals                 
  that could serve as trauma centers.                                          
                                                                               
  Co-chairman Frank questioned  need for $60.0 for  a research                 
  analyst.    Senator   Leman  deferred  to  staff   from  the                 
  department.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly  advised that  he would  support the  proposed                 
  amendment, but he voiced further need  to point out "some of                 
  the consequences of  what we  do."  He  then questioned  the                 
  wisdom of pulling perhaps the only qualified EMS medic  from                 
  a rural area to send him or her to a board meeting.                          
                                                                               
  STEVEN   O'CONNOR,   Assistant   Chief,  Central   Emergency                 
  Services,  Kenai   Peninsula  Borough,   next  came   before                 
  committee.  He explained that he also serves as chair of the                 
  Governor's Advisory Council  on Emergency Medical  Services.                 
  The current council  worked closely with state  and regional                 
  EMS offices to  bring about the technical  assistance review                 
  team  study.    It  has  since   moved  on  to  support  and                 
  enforcement of recommendations from  the study.  SSSB 71  is                 
  viewed as  key legislation  to bring  the EMS  system up  to                 
  date.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Speaking to accompanying fiscal  notes, Mr. O'Connor  termed                 
  them "conservative," given  systemwide potential for  impact                 
  on long-term health  care costs.   He urged support for  the                 
  legislation.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Frank  made reference  to  department movement  of                 
  funding from budgetary grant line  items into administrative                 
  functions.  Mr. O'Connor said that  he could not recall such                 
  a transfer.    Co-chair  Frank noted requests  from the  EMS                 
  regional  councils for an  increase to make  up for previous                 
  cuts.   Mr.  O'Connor  acknowledged that  regional directors                 
  have  asked   for  grant  increments  to   support  regional                 
  activities.   He attested  to the  fact that  these councils                 
  work hand-in-hand with the state EMS office.                                 
                                                                               
  In response  to a  comment by  Senator Rieger,  Mr. O'Connor                 
  voiced his understanding that fiscal note costs relate to:                   
                                                                               
       1.   Implementation of the review system                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
       2.   Setting up of standards for hospital application                   
            to become trauma centers                                           
                                                                               
       3.   Recruitment of inspection teams for hospital audit                 
                                                                               
       4.   Establishment  of  the  patient  care  information                 
  system.                                                                      
                                                                               
  MARK JOHNSON,  Chief, Emergency  Medical Services,  Dept. of                 
  Health and Social Services, came  before committee.  Senator                 
  Rieger inquired concerning the relative value of the patient                 
  care   information   system   when   compared  to   hospital                 
  certification.  Mr. Johnson explained  that the patient care                 
  information system "is a way  to evaluate what we're doing."                 
  He   acknowledged   programs   whereby   the  state   spends                 
  substantial sums without knowing whether or not the programs                 
  work.  The system will also highlight areas where additional                 
  training  is  needed as  well  as  define  need  for  better                 
  protocol in the flow  and handling of patients.   It assists                 
  both hospitals and prehospital ambulance  services with data                 
  that tells them "how good a job they did."  It also provides                 
  information on the causes and severity of injuries that will                 
  hopefully help prevent them in the future.                                   
                                                                               
  Mr. Johnson said there  had been no movement of  moneys from                 
  regions  to  the  department  office.    The  two  positions                 
  requested in  the fiscal  notes are  presently on staff  and                 
  will have  to be  laid off  in the  fall if  funding is  not                 
  provided.  The grant involved in the effort is four years in                 
  duration  and will stop at the end of that time.  Department                 
  staff works  diligently to garner  federal grants.   Most of                 
  that funding is passed through to  the regions.  Mr. Johnson                 
  acknowledged need for  increased funding at  regional levels                 
  to train medics  for rural Alaska.   He then requested  that                 
  committee members  read the  division's annual report  which                 
  summarizes state and regional activities.                                    
                                                                               
  Department staff  has  agreed to  absorb some  of the  extra                 
  duties  under  the  proposed  bill,  such as  certifying  of                 
  emergency  medical  dispatchers, establishment  of standards                 
  for paramedic training programs, etc.                                        
                                                                               
  In response to a question from Co-chair Pearce, Mr. Johnston                 
  explained that information gathering  has been ongoing since                 
  1988.  Information  flowing to the  division is returned  to                 
  hospitals  and ambulance  services in  monthly or  quarterly                 
  reports.   Injuries, like  diseases, are  in clusters.   The                 
  more  that  is  understood about  clusters,  the  better the                 
  chance to prevent the  injuries.  Mr. Johnson pointed  to an                 
  ongoing study of commercial fishing  injuries as an example.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator  Sharp   expressed  reluctance  to   add  positions,                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  previously  funded   under  federal  grants,  to  the  state                 
  payroll.  He  then inquired concerning whether  the proposed                 
  legislation would qualify  as a  safety program under  ISTEA                 
  funding.   Senator Rieger  advised  that he  had raised  the                 
  issue in  the Dept.  of Public  Safety budget  subcommittee.                 
  The impression at the  time was that it would  qualify under                 
  highway safety planning moneys.                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly inquired  regarding existing staff size.   Mr.                 
  Johnson  explained  that the  EMS  program is  authorized 10                 
  positions.   There  are currently  9 employees.   Three  are                 
  under  federal  grants and  might be  gone  by fall.   Staff                 
  supports  EMS programs  through  establishment  of standards                 
  for training programs.   It does  all of the certifying  and                 
  provides technical assistance to regional councils, advisory                 
  councils,  and volunteer efforts.   Staff  recently prepared                 
  and distributed  a new medivac  manual and a  billing manual                 
  for  volunteer   ambulance  services.     Division  prepared                 
  treatment guidelines help doctors keep up with state-of-the-                 
  art treatments.  Much effort is hands-on training.                           
                                                                               
  Senator Jacko MOVED for adoption  of Corrected Amendment No.                 
  1.  No objection having been raised, Corrected Amendment No.                 
  1 was ADOPTED.                                                               
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce then queried members concerning  disposition                 
  of the bill.   Senator Sharp MOVED that CSSSSB 71 (Fin) pass                 
  from  committee  with accompanying  fiscal  notes.   Senator                 
  Kelly raised OBJECTION to the  fiscal notes.  Senator Rieger                 
  voiced his understanding that the committee is not obligated                 
  to  fund  any fiscal  note and  could  address the  issue at                 
  conference committee on  the budget.   He expressed  further                 
  skepticism  concerning federal  grants  that  lead to  state                 
  funded positions.   Senator Kelly  concurred.  He  suggested                 
  that  the funding of additional positions  in times of tight                 
  budgets often means that as money becomes tighter elsewhere,                 
  centralized planners draw funds from other areas to maintain                 
  the  bureaucracy and  keep  new positions  on.   He  further                 
  suggested  that portions  of  the bill  requiring additional                 
  staff be removed or that those activities be undertaken with                 
  existing staff.  Senator Rieger  noted that federally funded                 
  employees have been performing the work up to this time.                     
                                                                               
  Senator Leman explained  that March  16 has been  designated                 
  EMS day in the legislature.  He voiced his hope to  have the                 
  bill  on  the  floor  in  recognition of  that  designation.                 
  Senator Kelly suggested that the bill be amended to make the                 
  patient  care  information  system  permissive  rather  than                 
  mandatory.  The bill could then  be moved from committee for                 
  floor action, and  the fiscal note could be dealt  with at a                 
  later time.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Senator  Sharp WITHDREW his motion for  passage of CSSSSB 71                 
  (Finance).   No objection having been raised, the motion was                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  WITHDRAWN.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Senator  Kelly directed attention  to Page  4, Line  19, and                 
  MOVED  to change  "shall"  to  "may."   That  would  provide                 
  flexibility.   If funding  is available,  the project  could                 
  proceed.  Co-chair Pearce asked what changes the fiscal note                 
  would incur as a result of the amendment.  Mark Johnson said                 
  he would still ask for the fiscal note.  The  division would                 
  do whatever it could with the funding it receives.  Co-chair                 
  Pearce questioned whether  the change from "shall"  to "may"                 
  would  adequately   address  concerns  raised   by  members.                 
  Senator Leman noted that other  sections and subsections may                 
  require slight revisions as a result of the language change.                 
  He  specifically  noted  language  requiring  hospitals   to                 
  provide information  to the  department and questioned  need                 
  for that if  the patient care  information system is not  to                 
  proceed.   Co-chair Pearce concurred  in need to  review all                 
  sections prior to movement of the bill.                                      
                                                                               
  At the request  of the Co-chair, Senator  Kelly WITHDREW his                 
  amendment.  Ch-chair Pearce then  directed that the bill  be                 
  HELD  until the  next meeting and  asked that  Senator Leman                 
  work with Senator Rieger, chairman of the Health, Education,                 
  and Social Services subcommittee,  on proposed amendments to                 
  satisfy  fiscal  concerns.     Prior  to  conference on  the                 
  budget, members will  also review  the possibility of  using                 
  "helmet safety funds for education."                                         
                                                                               
  ANNOUNCEMENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce advised  that the  Wednesday meeting  would                 
  begin at 8:30 a.m.  SB 84 will be taken up at that time.                     
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 10:20 a.m.                        
                                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects